Frosty and the team discuss the upcoming changes just recently announced, Rival Wings, and the current state of PvP in FFXIV.
About a week ago, we got our first glimpse at the 4.1 Patch notes, and the PvP changes that were to come with them. Then on Tuesday, we got a hands on look at how those changes played out. Some were good, others not so much. We've also got an official post up on the official forums from GM Zhexos. So we're going to take a minute in this here post to go over the changes, go over what Zhexos has to say, and express a bit of our opinions based off of our own knowledge and experience.
First up, there were some pretty huge changes to several jobs. Some great buffs, and minor nerfs.
WAR received a really nice extra ability with the return of the old PvP action "Thrill of War". The readdition adds some party survivability, which was a very vocalized weak point of the job prior to this patch.
As with many of the other jobs we'll go over, WAR did get something taken away in return for receiving this buff. Inner Release has been removed from the WAR toolkit, which is a pretty bit nerf to their personal damage potential. However, the verdict stands that Inner Release is more than a fair trade for Thrill of War.
DRG is next, with a small gameplay change.Battle Litany has been removed and in it's place is Dragon Sight. While it may seem like a nerf, it's actually proven to be a very powerful ability. It has added extra burst potential to DRG and their co-dps, since this top-loaded 10% on the two hardest hitting party members is of greater potency value than 5% on all 4 members when it was spread to the healer and tank.
A big downside of this ability is it's 'cue'. It is very obvious when the ability is used, and so it is very easy to anticipate when the DRG is going to burst. Of course, there are ways around this, but it is worth mentioning.
DRG also saw some changes to damage distribution. Geirskogul and Nastrond now do a bit less damage, but this is counteracted by allowing it to occur quicker/more often with the changes to Dragon's Eye and Life of the Dragon.
Skewer was also nerfed by 10%, which is a decent hit to their debuffing power. Overall though, DRG is relatively in the same spot as before.
BRD has some more serious changes to it, as does MCH. We'll start with BRD. Troubadour, as we can see from the above excerpt from the patch notes, has been added to the BRD PvP action arsenal. It's a pretty nice ability with some tactical choice in choosing whether to use it for defense or offense. Very cool.
BRD also had a change to repelling shot. Now it not only projects the BRD backwards, but it also binds the target they repelling shot off of for 2s. This is a very nice change and adds yet another CC to the BRD toolkit. With both a silence and a bind, they are a very support-esque ranged role job choice, making them an interesting pick.
However, their utility also took a hit with the removal of Battle Field March, the ability which restored TP/MP for your team. This is a pretty big hit, that cannot be denied. However, the utility shifting away from MP restoration and moving into other areas might just be better for the game overall.
MCH was given a similar, but different treatment like the BRD. Report, their TP/MP restoration ability has been removed. However, they didn't get any additional CC. They do still have 2 forms of CC: Stun Gun and Blank.
Flamethrower is the new MCH ability, and after doing some testing with it, it has great potential. However, it's practical use is very low in our experience. Getting an enemy to stand still is very difficult, meaning you will almost never reach the 10 stacks of the dot (which does stack to 2500 potency per tick - a massive amount of damage). That said, it is a very good zoning tool and can be used for area control at several points, especially in Lichenweed.
RDM has seen the most changes out of any job this patch, their playstyle shifting somewhat significantly. There's alot to cover here, so this might be a bit long winded.
The addition of Vercure means that RDM has become a bit more versatile in it's ability to support. The heal isn't particularly potent, being weaker than even a Regen, but it's no exaggeration to say that the extra 1500 HP restored could save a teammate from being killed. In the few games we've played with RDM so far, there have been a handful of occasions where Vercure came in handy.
The Ver-builders were also buffed in their resource generation. More B/W mana = more frequent burst. However, Manafication was removed, which means your burst will have to be built up naturally, and will be less on demand. With the limited amount of games we've played so far, it's hard to say which is truly better, but for now we believe that Manafication with its more "on demand" burst utility fits the current meta better.
The changes to Verholy and Verflare, Verholy in particular, give RDM much needed resource regeneration. They had pretty harsh MP problems before, but this changes allows RDM to do more damage with Jolt/Impact combo, or get out a bit of healing with Vercure without having to worry about going OOM.
Monomachy got nerfed. What was once a permanent fixture of a debuff has now become a timed window, just like most other debuffs in the game. While this is a nerf, it's not too horrible,as it just has to be used more intelligently to either do more damage or to kite harder.
Building off of the Monomachy change, we have the changes to RDM mobility. With Corps-a-corps and Displacement resetting their CD when used on a Monomachy target, this means that a RDM can now kite like a god. They were insane at kiting before, but now even more so.
The verdict? RDM is in a way better spot now than before. Their damage is still lacking, but they are very good at kiting to prevent damage and assiting the team with heals. They are still not a very good pick when compared to something like BLM, but they are not the same "oh shit, we lost" job as they were predating the patch.
There's a lot of words here for AST, but it can be summarized pretty simply. AST had Draw replaced with Sleeve Draw, and Minor Arcana got added. Also, Deorbit has been removed.
This is a very good step forward for AST, but it's still not on the level of WHM, not even close. However, the extra OGCD and HoT in Lady and the offenssive utility of Lord are very potent, and brings AST up a notch. We got to play around with it a bit, and it does feel significantly stronger.
Simple buff to PLD damage here. It really made them a lot better. We've been playing a lot of Light Party games lately with PLD, and this change really shows a difference in their ability to put out pressure. Before, PLD had to sacrifice precious MP to spam Requiescats, meaning they would not have much MP to support with Clemency. Now, they can DPS while conserviing their MP, and from a range at that, so there is no hit to their support utility.
There were a few other minor job changes, but they are not really worth mentioning. However, there were a few additional systems added with this patch which are wildly positive.
The first of these new systems is the addition of cross-server custom matches. This has been asked about for a very long time, and it's finally been delivered. We now have a platform to practice with a wide variety of people in an environment not tied to our rating, with the much needed control of being able to select your teammates and spectate matches. Tournaments and other fun events are just over the horizon, so stay tuned!
The second is the addition of the 4v4 Solo Queue Training Mode. Another long asked for system by the playerbase. It provides a platform for players to go in and try new things, or even just get started learning, without the risk of losing their ranked points just because they wanted to branch out and try something different.
The final change here worth mentioning is the change to matchmaking. If you played in Season 1, you'll remember that you used to be matched within a single tier of your current tier. This means that Diamond players ONLY faced Platinum players, Platinum could face Diamond or Gold, but not Silver, and Gold could play against Platinum or Silver, but not Diamond or Bronze. So on and so forth. Well, we are back to that system, which in the opinion of many, is a very welcome change since you will theoretically be placed with players around the same level as you.
A few days ago, we heard from one of the Community Representatives, Zhexos, on the official forums. His post is in regards to an updated system that will be getting pushed out to report illicit activity in PvP.
You can check out the post here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/348527-Easier-Reporting-for-PvP-related-Incidents
Now, this may look good in writing, but we remain skeptical. The act of reporting illicit activity has never been the issue from the perspective of players, the issue has always been that it seemed like our reports were not producing any sort of results. However, if this new and easier to use reporting tool will have a positive effect and reduce the amount of blatant cheating we see in PvP, then it will be a tremendous step forward for the game and it's community. This will remain to be seen, and you can expect us to provide an update over the coming months to see whether or not this change has reduced the amount of cheaters.
That just about sums up all of the PvP changes and news we've got recently. Some pretty positive changes, and several steps taken forward for the PvP fans of FFXIV. Thank you all for reading, and we look forward to being able to provide you with another update when the next round of changes are released!
The EU community team will be holding a streaming event on Ragnarok this week. Tune in and you will have a chance to win a Fangs or Claws T-shirt!
Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 17:00 (GMT) / 18:00 (BST)
The European PvP Stream is back! This Wednesday, dive once again into the Wolves’ Den with the EU Community Team, and play all of the updated PvP content since Stormblood! Revamped battle system, Frontlines, The Feast… the fights will be fierce, but of course friendly! Join us on Twitch for good fun and awesome giveaways! Beginners welcome!
Prepare yourselves, patch 4.1, The Legend Returns, will be coming in early October. The new PvP 24v24 content will be locked until 4.15, so grind out your last bit of Feast rating first! When 4.1 hits, you will be able to reunite with your friends, who may have server transferred at Stormblood launch, with the new cross-world tool. Practice, practice practice, then form or find a team for the Aether League!
In this PvP content players will be separated into two teams of 24--the Ravens and the Falcons. Players will be able to ride goblin mechs and do battle. Riding them will grant access to specific actions. There are very strong machina as well, so if you ride them, you’ll be able to use powerful actions, which can be used to turn the tide of battle. We would like players to enjoy this new content after completing the newest main scenario, so we’re planning to release this around Patch 4.15 (after the current Feast season).
PvP Custom Matches
Players will be able to start cross-world custom matches. With this feature, you’ll be able to hold practice matches and such.
Players will be register friends across Worlds. You’ll be able to register them to your friend list through the contact list.
Players will be able to send /tells between Worlds.
Frosty, aka Mr. MogTalk, asked YoshiP some excellent PvP related questions in an interview he released tonight. He asks about the design process, bringing light party back, the lack of moderation in ranked matches, and if they will re-enable the ability to chat; to name a few.
The biggest news was that Feast 4v4 Light Party will be making a comeback in 4.2 and with it team registration, online, and offline events.
We are working on implementing team creation comprised of 4-6 players, team registration, team rating and rankings, in addition to making this into an official competitive sport. I believe that we will be able to implement these features in Patch 4.2, and we plan to hold official and offline tournaments from there.
Read the full interview:
Patch 4.06a has been a highly anticipated patch for most avid players of The Feast, as it was promised to bring about the first wave of balance changes following the start of The Feast Season 5, the very first season taking place after the major PvP system overhaul of Patch 4.0.
In this post, we will go over the changes and provide our critical thoughts and opinons. Did players get what they wanted? What they needed? Kind of, but some fell short. Let's Begin.
We begin with the PLD. Overall, we see some pretty hard nerfs. The nerf changing Shield bash from 3 seconds to 2 means that their stun is now objectively worse than the DRK stun, Low Blow. PLD overall now has 1 second less of total CC potential on a single target, while DRK remains untouched. Overall, this is not a terrible change for the health of the game, but a pretty solid blow to PLD.
A nerf to their already inferior CC was not enough, however, as Cover also saw minor nerfs. The Oath Gauge increase from 20 to 25 gauge really just means less uptime. 20% less uptime. Was this change really needed? Probably not, given that once again, the DRK holds an arguably more powerful ability in The Blackest Night, which did not see nerfs.
However, all is not lost, as the change to Shield Oath to now grant 5% more damage reduction will make the use of Cover a bit safer, in addition to the many changes we will go over below.
PLD will still retain it's spot as the 2nd best tank in The Feast, though the gap between PLD and DRK has definitely grown in size, and not in favor of the PLD.
Next up is the WAR, widely considered one of the three "unplayable" jobs prior to this patch. So what sort of buffs did they receive? The first is a base increase in HP, from 15,000 to 15,500. Not bad, not stellar, when evaluated alone.
The change to tank stances hit the WAR as well. A 5% boost in max HP, a 5% boost in HP recovery, and of course the damage reduction to come with it. What does this mean for WAR survivability?
Before the change they had 18,000 HP in Defiance. After the change they have 19,375 HP in Defiance.
This is definitely a buff to WAR survivability, but it still does not stand in line with the survivability of the other two tanks. For the sake of leaving the more detailed and in-depth analysis for another time, we will simply say that WAR still lacks in defensive support for both the team and themselves.
Lastly comes the much anticipated, and much needed buff to the WAR kit. A stun. Onslaught has now become shoulder tackle, instead of having the clunky knockback mechanic attached to it. This change alone brings it into the realm of possible viability, and it is possible that having the stun tied to a gap closer could make for some very great offenssive plays.
WAR has moved from a position of "almost certain loss" to "maybe viable", though we will withold our own judgement until we see more of it in game.
DRK has been the most powerful tank since patch 4.0 launched and patch 4.06a has not changed that. It sees the same changes to Grit as WAR and PLD saw to their tank stances, which is a welcome buff to tank survivability.
The only nerf which hit the DRK was to their Power Slash combo. A 10% nerf to the healing reduction debuff is pretty huge, and may be a good place to start in reducing the power of DRK, as targets will not be a bit harder to kill if a healer is keeping them up. Overall though, DRK is still in a very good place and remains the top tier tank.
Let's all have a moment of silence for MNK, and all those rode it through the terrible climb of the DPS roles. It's no surprise that MNK is receiving nerfs, but really, these may be a bit harsh when considering the increased HP pools of the ranged DPS roles, as described later in this post.
MNK already suffered from weak sustain. The burst was all it had going for it, as insanely powerful as it was. Ultimately, these nerfs are hitting MNK hard and we are interested to see how they will hold up.
DRG receives a hit to their damage as well, though not nearly as hard as MNK. Overall, these nerfs are not huge and DRG players should not feel much of a difference. However, they are still curious changes to us since DRG seemed to be in a good place and not so powerful that it needed nerfs.
SAM sees some very good but not so dramatic changes this patch. First, the Kenki cost reduction on H:Shinten means more sustained damage, and in general just a more plentiful Kenki pool to use with your abilities.
The second change reduces the Kenki cost AND CD of H:Soten. This provides SAM with much more mobility, in both engagement and escape. Another solid change.
H:Chiten is the last ability to see buffs. In a previous update, the ability was nerfed to a 750, down from 1,000. This potency nerf has been reverted, and the Kenki cost reduced. While minor, nobody should ever complain about 250 extra potency.
These changes, along with the nerfs to MNK and DRG, put SAM in a better place than it was prior to the patch. However, they still don't quite match up to the other melee in terms of burst damage, a weakness that has not been addressed with this round of changes.
Anyone who played NIN in 3.x were at a severe disadvantage. The job suffered from poor design and confused role identity. Now, however, in patch 4.06a, the NIN may just take over as the most viable melee carry in The Feast. The most minor change is that Mug now generates 20 Ninki, down from 30. A nerf, yes, but in the grand scheme of things, you will see why this really isn't so bad.
The cost of mudras getting cut in HALF is huge for NIN. It means they can more readily weave ninjutsu into their burst rotations, and generally have a much easier time with on-demand utility several options this ability provides. We see this as a great change, as it has the potential to open up interesting decisions that the player will have make as the match progresses. Damage? Debuff? CC? The choice is now one made more often.
Raiton having it's potency reduced is a justified change to the cost reduction of mudras. However, this change, in addition to the potency reduction of Bhavacakra, means NIN took a very significant blow to their burst damage. NIN do get something in return, in the form of a 2 second stun tied to their hardest hitting ability. What this means is that NIN are now the only job in the melee role to have a stun. In addition to their stun, they also still have their silence, their bind, AND their heavy. With so many different tools in their kit, it's likely that the amount of NIN players will rise as they switch off their MNK to try and carry themselves up the ladder.
The jobs of the physical ranged role were doing quite well, except for their very low HP. This, in tandem with the nerfs to melee damage as detailed above, will make surviving, and therefore carrying your team, just that much easier. This is a change that needed to happen, as BRD and MCH were unable to survive for more than the duration of a 3 second stun in most cases.
Not quite the buff to HP that the physical ranged role received, but even so, the extra HP on BLM is a welcome buff. A BLM that lives longer is a BLM that has more opportunity to really cause trouble for the opponent, and 11,000 HP seems like a fair spot to have them.
In additon to the buff to their survivability, we see a 500 potency nerf (about 12-13%) to their ability which hits like a freight train, Foul. While Foul was incredibly powerful prior to the patch, and if looked at by itself alone, could have used a bit of a nerf, it's hard to justify the nerf in power to this ability with all of the buffs to survivability that came with the patch. However, BLM is still in just as good a spot as it was before, if not a bit better.
Just as with BRD and MCH, SMN is pretty well off in terms of balance right now. The HP increase is of course helpful, and SMN will remain a strong pick as it always has been.
Now you might be telling yourself, "Wow! Look at those RDM buffs!" But let me stop you before you get too excited. While these changes to potency do somewhat increase that sustained damage, the reduced CD on Manafication increases the frequency of the burst, and of course their increased HP pool...RDM is still not in a good place, as the problems with the job were not fixed or even touched on.
RDM suffers from a long, unsatisfying burst combo with an extremely high risk factor, no OGCD abilities to supplement, and lower survivability not just to the greater risks it's forced to take, but also in that it does not have great utility in it's kit.
There's a long list of ideas and changes which would make RDM more viable, but for now, until those come, we advise that anyone seriously trying to climb the ladder stay far, far away from RDM.
The single change to WHM may seem small to some, but this is a huge change that will relieve the headaches of the handful of WHM players that for some reason haven't switched to SCH yet.
For those confused, there was an unintended behavior where Regen would not reapply to a target if they were already affected by a stronger Regen. This caused stress on the WHM as they had to wait for the stronger Regen to fully fall off before the reapplication, often having to forego the reapplication completely depending on what the situation demanded. This change makes it so that once again, WHM players are rewarded for being a bit more proactive in the Regen application.
Sure to make some of the more aware PvPers scratch their heads at first glance, the SCH changes seem underwhelming on the surface. Known since the start of Season 1 as the most broken job in The Feast, it looks like SCH players will sit on their Diamond thrones a bit longer.
Adloquium receives the same treatment as Regen, a welcome change for the same reasons mentioned in the WHM section of this post. But the real change, that might seem lackluster in the realm of nerfs, is the nerf to Lustrate's ability to fill the Faerie Gauge. As most SCH's use Lustrate as their primary healing ability, the generation of their gauge being cut in half is very significant. This means that their additional healing from Embrace will be much more finite than it was before.
Is SCH balanced again? No. Is it still the best healer? Yes. However, they are not too greatly far ahead of WHM, and so we are glad that SE is taking a more careful approach to nerfing this job. A shame they did not show the same restraint for MNK.
To be honest, it pains me to even work on this section. AST has been ASS since 4.0 PvP was introduced. There have been many threads, many discussions, and many good ideas. The topic has been discussed a lot among the player community, and feedback has been given, but it is clear that the feedback provided for AST has not made it into the hands of the development team.
While ED being on a 10 second CD and Disable being on a 30 second CD are both welcome buffs, neither address the glaring flaws with the AST as a healer. It simply lacks in tools, and one of the tools it does have (the cards) are too random and inconsistent to provide meaningful benefits.
A way to hold and shuffle cards? A suitable replacement for the useless Deorbit? There are many things that would help bring AST back into viability, but these changes are not those things.
Lastly we have some minor changes to Recuperate and IAS.
The reduced CD on Recuperate means that it may become a logical choice to take, though Safeguard will likely still be better in just about every situation. If you play a role that could take both, such as a BRD, MCH, or SMN, this is a very welcome change.
IAS being reduced by 2% makes a difference in that it will be harder for those that use it to push their casts out before being prevented to do so. With higher casting speeds, it is easier to get a cast off before being CC'd, or before someone runs behind a wall. This is a minor change with a magnitude which will have to be measured in practice, to see if casts are more frequently interrupted than before due to this change.
TL;DR: DRK and SCH are still the top dogs, NIN might just takeover as the best melee pick, and WAR/RDM/AST are still much weaker than the other options in their roles. Thanks for reading our recap and thoughts on the job balances changes coming with Patch 4.06a.
This weekend at Gamescom 2017, Dr Pepper sponsored a 4v4 Feast tournament. The day two matches (semi finals and finals) were all close matches, don't let the scores fool you! Congratulations to the Gamescom 2017 champions: Die Vier Fantastischen Fünf
(1) Team Angered vs Team Random (0)
(1) Team Please Invite for Ixion vs Team Freelancer (0)
(1) Die Vier Fantastischen Fünf vs Fangs (0)
(0) 10 Stacks Plz vs Team Justice League (1)
(2) Team Angered vs Team Please Invite for Ixion (0)
(2) Die Vier Fantastischen Fünf vs Team Justice League (0)
(0) Team Angered vs Die Vier Fantastischen Fünf (3)
DRK AST DRG MCH vs PLD WHM MNK BRD
Thanks @Llyud1996 for help with translating!
A rare Community Rep reply in the Official Forums, Oh my! Change(s) will come and 4.1 confirmations.
After the release of Stormblood, people have been frustrated with the lack of actions, or the choice of actions their job can use. Tony "Zhexos" Caraway states:
Prior to Patch 4.0, it was difficult to make modifications to actions for the sake of PvP balancing, as it would also have an effect on PvE. Now that this has become more flexible with the separation of PvP and PvE actions, we will begin to modify these actions, skills, and spells as necessary, including the possibility of completely replacing actions.
So more frequent balance tweaks and or completely replacing actions (http://xivdb.com/action/9466/deorbit cough) will be .
Then he adds a typical PR addendum:
However, please keep in mind that due to the development process, it may take some time for feedback to be reflected in-game. In the past, we did not make modifications to actions during a PvP season, largely due to the reasons we just mentioned, but we will be making modifications during PvP seasons in the future.
The last sentence can be good or bad as they state they are not scared to make changes mid season. So as long as the changes are good, it shouldn't affect the top 100 leaderboards much.
Due to some items being exclusive to a season, and only earnable by making a certain rank (top 10 / 100), it will be nice if certain jobs aren't left untouched. I think most notable this season would be WAR, RDM, and maybe AST mains having to work extra hard to climb.
There has been some confusion about what content will be added in the next major patch (4.1). Tony confirms a few things, first:
In Patch 4.1, a new large-scale PvP mode will be implemented. Stay tuned for details on this!
Vehicle PvP inc? Rumors also state this new large scale mode will only have two teams instead of the three team Frontline design.
Finally, a confirmation the Aether League team has been waiting for:
Also, as we mentioned previously, data center-wide custom matches will be implemented.
Hopefully Tony and the other Community Reps will keep communicating with us!
The Japanese version of "Culling Time" is called "Adrenaline Rush TV" and it is taking place early next week on the Anima server!
Data Center: Mana
Wednesday, August 23, 2017 around 21:00JP
Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:00 PST / 14:00 CET
Yesterday, Korihu Yanhu of the Aether data center put together a great guide for those of you who are new to, or looking to get into, the Feast 4v4 ranked solo queue. This is a great guide that will skim through the basics of the game, with a few beginner tips baked in that are sure to help increase the quality of your play.
~ All credit for this guide goes to Korihu Yanhu of the Gilgamesh server.
There will be an eight team Feast Tournament at the gamescom 2017 trade fair for video games in Cologne, Germany.
Between Tuesday, August 22 at 9:00 (CEST) and Friday, August 25 at 12:00 (CEST)
You can register for the tournament during the whole duration of gamescom at the Battle Challenge booth located in Hall 9.
You can show early interest by sending the required details to the following email address, however you will still need to register on site:
All matches will take place on stage at the Battle Arena booth in hall 9.
Friday, August 25 from 13:30 to 15:30 (CEST)
Saturday, August 26 from 13:00 (CEST)
Finals Saturday, August 26 from 16:00 (CEST)